Deprecating BIND 9.18+ on Windows (or making it community improved and supported

[Peter via bind-users]

Well that sucks no more bind for windows...:(

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[Victoria Risk]

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Well that sucks no more bind for windows...:(

We are supporting BIND 9.16 on Windows, and we are supporting 9.16 through the end of 2024, so we are not at the end of the road yet!

https://kb.isc.org/docs/aa-00896

Vicky
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Lol. End Of The Road. Queue boys 2 men...

https://g.co/kgs/8G4XvF

Post by Victoria Risk

On Jun 2, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Peter via bind-users <
Well that sucks no more bind for windows...:(

We are supporting BIND 9.16 on Windows, and we are supporting 9.16 through
the end of 2024, so we are not at the end of the road yet!
https://kb.isc.org/docs/aa-00896
Vicky
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[Richard T.A. Neal]

Thanks Vicky and Ondrej for providing clarity. I'll be sad to see it when this happens but as I said in my original post I don't underestimate the sheer amount of effort required to maintain BIND for Windows going forwards so it's completely understandable that you want to focus on platforms that are the most widely used and best understood by ISC. The retention of the dig client for Windows, even if unsupported, will indeed be welcomed by some.

I'll shift my own focus back to BIND on Linux now as well, but I'll retain a tertiary BIND server running 9.16 for Windows just so that I can help out anyone who subsequently downloads and installs BIND for Windows between now and its end-of-support date.

Best,

Richard.
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[Danny Mayer via bind-users]

I don't speak for ISC but it's important to understand that support of
an operating system costs money and unless a company or organization is
willing to step up with money it cannot be expected to continue support.
There was originally a need and the money for BIND9 on Windows which is
why the effort was made.

FWIW.

Danny

Post by Richard T.A. Neal
Thanks Vicky and Ondrej for providing clarity. I'll be sad to see it when this happens but as I said in my original post I don't underestimate the sheer amount of effort required to maintain BIND for Windows going forwards so it's completely understandable that you want to focus on platforms that are the most widely used and best understood by ISC. The retention of the dig client for Windows, even if unsupported, will indeed be welcomed by some.
I'll shift my own focus back to BIND on Linux now as well, but I'll retain a tertiary BIND server running 9.16 for Windows just so that I can help out anyone who subsequently downloads and installs BIND for Windows between now and its end-of-support date.
Best,
Richard.
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[Reindl Harald]

Post by Danny Mayer via bind-users
I don't speak for ISC but it's important to understand that support of
an operating system costs money and unless a company or organization is
willing to step up with money it cannot be expected to continue support.
There was originally a need and the money for BIND9 on Windows which is
why the effort was made.

that's an unproven claim

my unproven claim based on expierience is that these days there was a
need for named, httpd, php, mysqld and so on on windows

these days where virtualization, WSL and containers exists that need is
more or less gone

Post by Danny Mayer via bind-users

Post by Richard T.A. Neal
Thanks Vicky and Ondrej for providing clarity. I'll be sad to see it
when this happens but as I said in my original post I don't
underestimate the sheer amount of effort required to maintain BIND for
Windows going forwards so it's completely understandable that you want
to focus on platforms that are the most widely used and best
understood by ISC. The retention of the dig client for Windows, even
if unsupported, will indeed be welcomed by some.
I'll shift my own focus back to BIND on Linux now as well, but I'll
retain a tertiary BIND server running 9.16 for Windows just so that I
can help out anyone who subsequently downloads and installs BIND for
Windows between now and its end-of-support date.

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[Danny Mayer via bind-users]

Post by Reindl Harald

Post by Danny Mayer via bind-users
I don't speak for ISC but it's important to understand that support
of an operating system costs money and unless a company or
organization is willing to step up with money it cannot be expected
to continue support. There was originally a need and the money for
BIND9 on Windows which is why the effort was made.

that's an unproven claim

Sorry but I was talking about a specific customer who needed it and paid
for it.

Danny

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[Peter via bind-users]

Maybe they could release a bind for windows ever year with limited
support? But I guess bind will still work long after its not supported
which is the only good thing.
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[Ondřej Surý]

I am sorry, but I don’t follow. The catch is that the Windows support must be maintained for any new development and it doesn’t come for free. Sometimes we can’t even use what we need because there’s no support on Windows.

As an example - we are replacing the internal memory allocator with jemalloc for better thread performance and less memory fragmentation and just adding the library on Windows would be major PITA.

Ondrej
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My working hours and your working hours may be different. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside your normal working hours.

Maybe they could release a bind for windows ever year with limited support? But I guess bind will still work long after its not supported which is the only good thing.
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[Peter via bind-users]

Guess not even a subscription will not happen too.

I'm having to try and do Bind on ubuntu and it just will not let me edit
files like named.conf unless you do some vodoo that I don't understand
and even updating the bind like how? Windows no problem you want to edit
a file no problem can't edit a file/folder because of permissions your a
admin you can do that too. Bind is easy on windows.

On another note when you stop the bind service you get “windows could
not stop ISC BIND service on local computer. Error 1067 the process
terminated unexpectedly.” wonder if that be the last fix for 9.17.14.....

[Danny Mayer via bind-users]

Post by Peter via bind-users
Guess not even a subscription will not happen too.
I'm having to try and do Bind on ubuntu and it just will not let me
edit files like named.conf unless you do some vodoo that I don't
understand and even updating the bind like how? Windows no problem you
want to edit a file no problem can't edit a file/folder because of
permissions your a admin you can do that too. Bind is easy on windows.

That's because I didn't get to add the required security permissions to
the Windows implementation for the file/folders that it used. It was an
open item on the list to be addressed when I stopped working on it.
General users should not be able to edit the files. That's an admin role.

Post by Peter via bind-users
On another note when you stop the bind service you get “windows could
not stop ISC BIND service on local computer. Error 1067 the process
terminated unexpectedly.” wonder if that be the last fix for 9.17.14.....

I remember that from day 1. I'm not sure if we fixed that on ntpd. How
are you stopping named?

Danny