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BIND DNS problem (?)
Jukka Pakkanen
2018-09-26 07:45:46 UTC
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We are running a couple of Symantec SMG servers, and their DNS clients are configured to use your BIND 9.12.2 DNS servers.

In both SMG servers we get the same DNS "server failure" error from all our DNS servers when they do some TXT queries to SMG:

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(sorry for the bad quality/format, hope you can zoom in. That's all I got from Symantec when contacting their support, and they claim the problem is in our DNS servers because of the "server failure" error).

Anyway, I suppose the problem is related to these, in the response:

....
Answer authenticated: Answer/authority portion was not authenticated by the server
Non-authenticated data: Unacceptable
....


Sooo, any ideas what does this mean, is the problem in out BIND servers, or in the other end?


Jukka
John W. Blue via bind-users
2018-09-26 07:49:45 UTC
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I could not zoom in to see anything. Please post a better screenshot or better yet post the .pcap itself for download and review.

John

From: bind-users [mailto:bind-users-***@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Jukka Pakkanen
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:46 AM
To: bind-***@lists.isc.org
Subject: BIND DNS problem (?)

We are running a couple of Symantec SMG servers, and their DNS clients are configured to use your BIND 9.12.2 DNS servers.

In both SMG servers we get the same DNS "server failure" error from all our DNS servers when they do some TXT queries to SMG:

http://www.qnet.fi/jp/dns.png

(sorry for the bad quality/format, hope you can zoom in. That's all I got from Symantec when contacting their support, and they claim the problem is in our DNS servers because of the "server failure" error).

Anyway, I suppose the problem is related to these, in the response:

....
Answer authenticated: Answer/authority portion was not authenticated by the server
Non-authenticated data: Unacceptable
....


Sooo, any ideas what does this mean, is the problem in out BIND servers, or in the other end?


Jukka
Jukka Pakkanen
2018-09-26 08:17:02 UTC
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Updated the pic, should be readable now... posting the pcap later.

Jukka

From: bind-users [mailto:bind-users-***@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of John W. Blue via bind-users
Sent: keskiviikko 26. syyskuuta 2018 9.50
To: bind-***@lists.isc.org
Subject: RE: BIND DNS problem (?)

I could not zoom in to see anything. Please post a better screenshot or better yet post the .pcap itself for download and review.

John

From: bind-users [mailto:bind-users-***@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Jukka Pakkanen
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:46 AM
To: bind-***@lists.isc.org<mailto:bind-***@lists.isc.org>
Subject: BIND DNS problem (?)

We are running a couple of Symantec SMG servers, and their DNS clients are configured to use your BIND 9.12.2 DNS servers.

In both SMG servers we get the same DNS "server failure" error from all our DNS servers when they do some TXT queries to SMG:

http://www.qnet.fi/jp/dns.png

(sorry for the bad quality/format, hope you can zoom in. That's all I got from Symantec when contacting their support, and they claim the problem is in our DNS servers because of the "server failure" error).

Anyway, I suppose the problem is related to these, in the response:

....
Answer authenticated: Answer/authority portion was not authenticated by the server
Non-authenticated data: Unacceptable
....


Sooo, any ideas what does this mean, is the problem in out BIND servers, or in the other end?


Jukka
Jukka Pakkanen
2018-09-26 09:28:31 UTC
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Started logging named now, but don't see much debug information with these logging settings:

logging {
category lame-servers { null; };
category edns-disabled { null; };
category security { security_file; };
category queries { queries_file; };
category resolver { resolver_file; };
category query-errors { query-errors_file; };

channel query-errors_file {
file "d:/logs/named/query-errors.log" versions 3 size 5m;
severity debug;
print-time yes;
};

channel queries_file {
file "d:/logs/named/queries.log" versions 3 size 5m;
severity debug;
print-time yes;
};

channel resolver_file {
file "d:/logs/named/resolver.log" versions 3 size 5m;
severity debug;
print-time yes;
};

channel security_file {
file "d:/logs/named/security.log" versions 3 size 5m;
severity debug;
print-time yes;
};

};


Query-errors:

26-syyskuuta-2018 12.00.59.794 client @000001F5160E7150 62.142.220.9#28667 (73cb7fd0d8c8b44cd6e741d6eed0e612.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 73cb7fd0d8c8b44cd6e741d6eed0e612.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692
26-syyskuuta-2018 12.00.59.794 client @000001F516751E40 62.142.220.9#48236 (6680545bc0584602c24adc8dd123f0b5.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 6680545bc0584602c24adc8dd123f0b5.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692
26-syyskuuta-2018 12.00.59.794 client @000001F51768CA50 62.142.220.9#47990 (73cb7fd0d8c8b44cd6e741d6eed0e612.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 73cb7fd0d8c8b44cd6e741d6eed0e612.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692
26-syyskuuta-2018 12.00.59.794 client @000001F5173936D0 62.142.220.9#46275 (6680545bc0584602c24adc8dd123f0b5.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 6680545bc0584602c24adc8dd123f0b5.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692
26-syyskuuta-2018 12.00.59.794 client @000001F5173951F0 62.142.220.9#13544 (84cbbbe69327045981177902b6ed7539.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 84cbbbe69327045981177902b6ed7539.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692
26-syyskuuta-2018 12.00.59.794 client @000001F5170931C0 62.142.220.9#26021 (56909d41023d9bee0e972fa4ca487314.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 56909d41023d9bee0e972fa4ca487314.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692
26-syyskuuta-2018 12.00.59.794 client @000001F517390E20 62.142.220.9#35961 (fb74971ab843d9ef29b498a817f135a0.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for fb74971ab843d9ef29b498a817f135a0.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692



From: Jukka Pakkanen
Sent: keskiviikko 26. syyskuuta 2018 10.17
To: 'bind-***@lists.isc.org' <bind-***@lists.isc.org>
Subject: RE: BIND DNS problem (?)

Updated the pic, should be readable now... posting the pcap later.

Jukka

From: bind-users [mailto:bind-users-***@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of John W. Blue via bind-users
Sent: keskiviikko 26. syyskuuta 2018 9.50
To: bind-***@lists.isc.org<mailto:bind-***@lists.isc.org>
Subject: RE: BIND DNS problem (?)

I could not zoom in to see anything. Please post a better screenshot or better yet post the .pcap itself for download and review.

John

From: bind-users [mailto:bind-users-***@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Jukka Pakkanen
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:46 AM
To: bind-***@lists.isc.org<mailto:bind-***@lists.isc.org>
Subject: BIND DNS problem (?)

We are running a couple of Symantec SMG servers, and their DNS clients are configured to use your BIND 9.12.2 DNS servers.

In both SMG servers we get the same DNS "server failure" error from all our DNS servers when they do some TXT queries to SMG:

http://www.qnet.fi/jp/dns.png

(sorry for the bad quality/format, hope you can zoom in. That's all I got from Symantec when contacting their support, and they claim the problem is in our DNS servers because of the "server failure" error).

Anyway, I suppose the problem is related to these, in the response:

....
Answer authenticated: Answer/authority portion was not authenticated by the server
Non-authenticated data: Unacceptable
....


Sooo, any ideas what does this mean, is the problem in out BIND servers, or in the other end?


Jukka
Jukka Pakkanen
2018-09-26 09:55:26 UTC
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Started logging named now, but don't see much debug information with these logging settings:

logging {
category lame-servers { null; };
category edns-disabled { null; };
category security { security_file; };
category queries { queries_file; };
category resolver { resolver_file; };
category query-errors { query-errors_file; };

channel query-errors_file {
file "d:/logs/named/query-errors.log" versions 3 size 5m;
severity debug;
print-time yes;
};

channel queries_file {
file "d:/logs/named/queries.log" versions 3 size 5m;
severity debug;
print-time yes;
};

channel resolver_file {
file "d:/logs/named/resolver.log" versions 3 size 5m;
severity debug;
print-time yes;
};

channel security_file {
file "d:/logs/named/security.log" versions 3 size 5m;
severity debug;
print-time yes;
};

};


Query-errors:

26-syyskuuta-2018 12.00.59.794 client @000001F5160E7150 62.142.220.9#28667 (73cb7fd0d8c8b44cd6e741d6eed0e612.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 73cb7fd0d8c8b44cd6e741d6eed0e612.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692
26-syyskuuta-2018 12.00.59.794 client @000001F516751E40 62.142.220.9#48236 (6680545bc0584602c24adc8dd123f0b5.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 6680545bc0584602c24adc8dd123f0b5.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692
26-syyskuuta-2018 12.00.59.794 client @000001F51768CA50 62.142.220.9#47990 (73cb7fd0d8c8b44cd6e741d6eed0e612.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 73cb7fd0d8c8b44cd6e741d6eed0e612.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692
...

From: bind-users [mailto:bind-users-***@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Jukka Pakkanen
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:46 AM
To: bind-***@lists.isc.org<mailto:bind-***@lists.isc.org>
Subject: BIND DNS problem (?)

We are running a couple of Symantec SMG servers, and their DNS clients are configured to use your BIND 9.12.2 DNS servers.

In both SMG servers we get the same DNS "server failure" error from all our DNS servers when they do some TXT queries to SMG:

http://www.qnet.fi/jp/dns.png

(sorry for the bad quality/format, hope you can zoom in. That's all I got from Symantec when contacting their support, and they claim the problem is in our DNS servers because of the "server failure" error).

Anyway, I suppose the problem is related to these, in the response:

....
Answer authenticated: Answer/authority portion was not authenticated by the server
Non-authenticated data: Unacceptable
....

Sooo, any ideas what does this mean, is the problem in out BIND servers, or in the other end?

Jukka
Jukka Pakkanen
2018-09-26 12:58:44 UTC
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Now got some more debug info, but does it help finding out why we get the server failure?

26-syyskuuta-2018 15.46.33.999 client @0000024562471630 62.142.220.9#8179 (1d427bf569fa3b25355a5944e82b5e23.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 1d427bf569fa3b25355a5944e82b5e23.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692

26-syyskuuta-2018 15.46.33.999 client @0000024561EFABC0 62.142.220.9#37637 (1d427bf569fa3b25355a5944e82b5e23.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 1d427bf569fa3b25355a5944e82b5e23.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692

26-syyskuuta-2018 15.46.33.999 fetch completed at ..\resolver.c:4175 for 1d427bf569fa3b25355a5944e82b5e23.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/TXT in 10.014952: timed out/success [domain:smg.ultra.brightmail.com,referral:2,restart:2,qrysent:7,timeout:6,lame:0,quota:0,neterr:0,badresp:0,adberr:0,findfail:0,valfail:0]

26-syyskuuta-2018 15.46.33.999 fetch completed at ..\resolver.c:4175 for 31b126c2f9ec0fb531fb6f408760df5c.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/TXT in 10.014952: timed out/success [domain:smg.ultra.brightmail.com,referral:2,restart:2,qrysent:7,timeout:6,lame:0,quota:0,neterr:0,badresp:0,adberr:0,findfail:0,valfail:0]

26-syyskuuta-2018 15.46.33.999 client @0000024562641060 62.142.220.9#63769 (31b126c2f9ec0fb531fb6f408760df5c.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 31b126c2f9ec0fb531fb6f408760df5c.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692
...

Jukka

From: bind-users [mailto:bind-users-***@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Jukka Pakkanen
Sent: keskiviikko 26. syyskuuta 2018 11.55
To: bind-***@lists.isc.org
Subject: RE: BIND DNS problem (?)

Started logging named now, but don't see much debug information with these logging settings:

logging {
category lame-servers { null; };
category edns-disabled { null; };
category security { security_file; };
category queries { queries_file; };
category resolver { resolver_file; };
category query-errors { query-errors_file; };

channel query-errors_file {
file "d:/logs/named/query-errors.log" versions 3 size 5m;
severity debug;
print-time yes;
};

channel queries_file {
file "d:/logs/named/queries.log" versions 3 size 5m;
severity debug;
print-time yes;
};

channel resolver_file {
file "d:/logs/named/resolver.log" versions 3 size 5m;
severity debug;
print-time yes;
};

channel security_file {
file "d:/logs/named/security.log" versions 3 size 5m;
severity debug;
print-time yes;
};

};


Query-errors:

26-syyskuuta-2018 12.00.59.794 client @000001F5160E7150 62.142.220.9#28667 (73cb7fd0d8c8b44cd6e741d6eed0e612.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 73cb7fd0d8c8b44cd6e741d6eed0e612.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692
26-syyskuuta-2018 12.00.59.794 client @000001F516751E40 62.142.220.9#48236 (6680545bc0584602c24adc8dd123f0b5.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 6680545bc0584602c24adc8dd123f0b5.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692
26-syyskuuta-2018 12.00.59.794 client @000001F51768CA50 62.142.220.9#47990 (73cb7fd0d8c8b44cd6e741d6eed0e612.smg.ultra.brightmail.com): query failed (SERVFAIL) for 73cb7fd0d8c8b44cd6e741d6eed0e612.smg.ultra.brightmail.com/IN/TXT at ..\query.c:10692
...

From: bind-users [mailto:bind-users-***@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Jukka Pakkanen
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:46 AM
To: bind-***@lists.isc.org<mailto:bind-***@lists.isc.org>
Subject: BIND DNS problem (?)

We are running a couple of Symantec SMG servers, and their DNS clients are configured to use your BIND 9.12.2 DNS servers.

In both SMG servers we get the same DNS "server failure" error from all our DNS servers when they do some TXT queries to SMG:

http://www.qnet.fi/jp/dns.png

(sorry for the bad quality/format, hope you can zoom in. That's all I got from Symantec when contacting their support, and they claim the problem is in our DNS servers because of the "server failure" error).

Anyway, I suppose the problem is related to these, in the response:

....
Answer authenticated: Answer/authority portion was not authenticated by the server
Non-authenticated data: Unacceptable
....

Sooo, any ideas what does this mean, is the problem in out BIND servers, or in the other end?

Jukka
Tony Finch
2018-09-26 13:06:07 UTC
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Post by Jukka Pakkanen
Now got some more debug info, but does it help finding out why we get the server failure?
The DNS servers for smg.brightmail.com are broken. They drop most queries
which causes all sorts of problems.

Tony.
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Jukka Pakkanen
2018-09-26 13:52:20 UTC
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Yes looks like that, also this problem started suddenly, affects all our SMG & DNS servers, so very unlikely the problem is on our end.

Still Symantec "enterprise support technician" claims the problem is on our DNS servers, and as a "proof" send the chapter 4.1.1 of the RFC1035, where it is stated that "code 2 = server failure", and this should prove that our servers are not working because they got "server failure" error ;-)

Jukka


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Finch [mailto:***@dotat.at]
Sent: keskiviikko 26. syyskuuta 2018 15.06
To: Jukka Pakkanen <***@qnet.fi>
Cc: bind-***@lists.isc.org
Subject: RE: BIND DNS problem (?)
Post by Jukka Pakkanen
Now got some more debug info, but does it help finding out why we get the server failure?
The DNS servers for smg.brightmail.com are broken. They drop most queries which causes all sorts of problems.

Tony.
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LuKreme
2018-09-30 14:33:26 UTC
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Post by Jukka Pakkanen
Still Symantec "enterprise support technician" claims the problem is on our DNS servers, and as a "proof" send the chapter 4.1.1 of the RFC1035, where it is stated that "code 2 = server failure", and this should prove that our servers are not working because they got "server failure" error ;-)
Somehow, this coming from someone at Symantec is not at all surprising.
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Mukund Sivaraman
2018-09-26 08:16:56 UTC
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Post by Jukka Pakkanen
....
Answer authenticated: Answer/authority portion was not authenticated by the server
Non-authenticated data: Unacceptable
....
This is wireshark's packet parsing output. It is not related to the SERVFAIL.
Post by Jukka Pakkanen
Sooo, any ideas what does this mean, is the problem in out BIND servers, or in the other end?
Look at the named logs. Turn up the logging level to get more details of
what's going on, replay the queries sent by the Symantec servers, and
observe the logs.

Mukund
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